As I noted in the previous entry, I've started reading Lord, Save Us From Your Followers by Dan Merchant, and let me just say that it's been highly convicting. An interview that he did with Tony Campolo really caught my eye, and it really speaks to several of the things brought up in our previous discussion of redistribution of wealth and who cares for the poor. I respect Tony Campolo a lot, and so it was interesting to read his responses to Dan's questions - not what I expected. Take a read of an excerpt from pages 35-36 when talking about why people might be confused by Christians:
TONY: ...And of course the most important thing is, they can't understand how the Christian community can support political administrations that are committed to giving tax breaks to rich people while poor people are getting the ground cut from under them. Seems to us that the Jesus of Scripture was very committed to the poor. I can see the point of view of those who say, "This is the responsibility of the church; it's not the responsibility of the state." I would differ with that. We have the right to call upon the nations. It's interesting to note that the twenty-fifth chapter of Matthew, which everybody likes to cite when dealing with the poor, "I was hungry, did you feed me? I was naked, did you clothe me? I was sick, did you care for me?" ends with these words: "And on that day I judge the nations." The nations! He doesn't say, "On that day I shall judge the church." Jesus says, "I'm gonna judge the nations." Check it out in Scripture.
DAN: There are many who agree the poor need to be tended to, but who should do it?
TONY: Yes, now my moderate friends would say, "We don't question that the Bible talks a great deal about the poor. We just don't think it's the task of the government to take care of the poor. They shouldn't be taking tax dollars and taking care of the poor. The care of the poor is something Christ called His people to do, therefore it's the responsibility of the church to care for the poor." And there's a lot to be said for that particular point of view; I think it's a very viable point of view. The question is, what do we do about things like health care? Can churches handle that, considering the cost of health care in America? What are we going to do about universal education for the poor? Can the church do that? Can the church come up with the assets to respond to the AIDS crisis in Africa, which will cost billions and billions of dollars? Can the church do that and still maintain its mission? So you can see how the argument goes.
In another portion of the interview, he goes on to say on pages 37-38:
There is no doubt that there is an awakening in the evangelical community, particularly that caring for the poor is a biblical obligation. You mentioned Rick Warren, and he would be a good example. He says now, "I went through seminary. I have doctorate degrees. I've been a Bible student for years. How could I have missed all of these passages of Scripture that talk about caring for the poor?" And, of course, he's getting his church people directly involved in meeting the needs of poor communities all over Africa and doing it brilliantly. But, once again, there are those who say, "We approve of that, that's a church living out Christ's commands for the poor. What we object to is taking tax dollars and doing it." I contend for both. I contend the needs of the world are such that the nations have an obligation as well as the church.
I think one of the things that came out of the previous discussion was an assumption that a large percentage of poor or needy people were just lazy and would rather take a handout than work hard to live. I submit that this is not the case, but I'd like to use some lyrics from an unlikely source, a decidedly un-Christian source: Kid Rock. I heard his song "Amen" today, and it seemed to underscore a non-evangelical point of view that went hand-in-hand with what I was reading about from Mr. Campolo. Checkit (the lyrics that I thought were salient are highlighted in red):
It's another night in hell
Another child won't live to tell
Can you imagine what it's like to starve to death
And as we sit free and well
Another soldier has to yell
Tell my wife and children I love them in his last breath
C'mon now amen, amen, amen
Habitual offenders, scumbag lawyers with agendas
I'll tell you sometimes people I don't know what's worse
Natural disasters or these wolves in sheep clothes pastors
Now !@#$%^&*( it I'm scared to send my children to church
And how can we seek salvation when our nations race relations
Got me feeling guilty of being white
But faith in human nature, our creator and our savior, I'm no saint
But I believe in what is right
C'mon now amen, amen
I said amen, amen
Stop pointing fingers and take some blame,
Pull your future away from the flame
Open up your mind and start to live
Stop short changing your neighbors
Living off hand outs and favors, and maybe
Give a little bit more than you got to give
Simplify, testify, identify, rectify
And if I get high stop being so uptight
It's only human nature and I am not a stranger
So baby won't you stay with me tonight
When a calls away
to break the sound
I'm faden down, I need someone
Oh to be someone
They just sinken down, and holden back
I hold the dawn and run
They don't save a child
Oh, to save a child
It's a matter of salvation from them patience up above,
So don't give up so damn easy on the one you love, one you love
Somewhere you got a brother, sister, friend, grandmother, niece or nephew
Just dying to be with you
You know there's someone out there who unconditionally, religiously, loves you
So just hold on 'cause you know it's true
And if you can take the pain
And you can withstand anything, and one day
Stand hand in hand with the truth
I said amen, I said amen
I said amen, I said amen,
Amen
I found it really interesting to read those words from someone that I wouldn't have considered to have much of a social conscience. Then again, I've never really listened to what he had to say before - I've only heard.
So now I'm interested to listen to you. What do you think about Tony and Kid's statements from widely different venues and points of view? What does it bring up in your mind when you hear people say things like this? And before we engage in discussion about this, let's hear one final word from Tony from page 42:
Whenever you carry on discussion you always have to entertain the possibility, I could be wrong. In all discussions on all subjects, even on the Bible, I entertain that possibility. Except for one thing...Christ and the Crucifixion....Everything else is up for discussion, and I have to be humble enough to say, "Let me hear your point of view. Maybe you can teach me something. Maybe I hold some views that are wrong."
I've been entertaining that possibility a lot lately in my own internal dialogs. What thoughts come to your mind as you read through this post?